25 March 2014

John Dehlin posted this link on facebook yesterday (24 March 2014); and unsure of why it was worth a “wow” from him, I took the time to review it. It is a one hour presentation and these days I never usually spend a whole hour on anything Mormon. I can’t make out if Dehlin’s reference to Jon McNaughton (the Tea-Party’s painter) is intended as an insult or a compliment. Like many others, I still can’t fathom Dehlin’s motives clearly.

“Wow. Jake Hilton is Jon McNaughton in oral form….and he’s coming to an LDS fireside near you.”

The ‘Book of Mormon Evidence Conference’ (updated 23 November 2013) opening sequence is very professional and promises ‘archaeological evidence’, ‘geographical evidence’, ‘genetic evidence’, historical evidence’, ‘scriptural evidence’ and ‘prophetic evidence’. That should indeed be worth a “wow”, if indeed, after all these years (and the abundance of incontrovertible evidence against the remotest possibility of the book being a true account of a real people), we are to be treated to new discoveries of peer reviewed evidence in each area, obtained through the scientific method. Not that I held out much hope.

The emphasis is on strengthening youth, as they are “lost and confused” and leaving the Church. They must hold to the iron rod and get through the mists of darkness (quoting the BOM). Hilton of course doesn’t mention the fact that Joseph Smith plagiarised that whole dream sequence from his own father’s account of the very same dream he heard from when he was about six years of age. (See: The Mormon Delusion, Vol. 2. Ch. 9). “Leaving in droves; apostasy is happening right now in the Church today.”

Amazingly, Hilton quotes non-Mormon, Ken Ham, – the biggest idiot creationist in the world, recently made to look a complete fool by Bill Nye. Sixty percent of young adults are not Church active and eighty-eight percent of youth will deny their faith in Christianity by graduation. What is the solution in Mormonism? The iron rod itself – the word of God. All kids have to do is keep reading the BOM over and over and apply its principles. However, once people leave the Church, they don’t want to come back – having fallen into sin and transgression. I think that translates to ‘having discovered the truth and rejected the lies’. The notion that members who leave the Church ‘fall into sin and transgression’ is ever popular in Mormonism, and of course, ever absurd.

Hilton compares Hebrew and Roman ‘foundations’ to show the Hebrews were on the right track and the Romans got it all wrong. He confirms creationism as true and that the first man and woman “from whom we are all descended” were Adam and Eve. “If ever there is a theory, a philosophy, an idea that is presented to you that does not square with the scriptures, you reject it! Throw it out the window and don’t look back.” Right there is the reason people should reject Mormonism, if not religion in general. If science doesn’t fit with scripture, reject the science. Clearly, when science proves something as fact, it is the prior held belief that needs attention. But religion says, never mind the facts, stick with the fiction – rely on the delusion. It’s comfortable, warm and fuzzy.

Marriage is between a man and woman only. He condemns philosophy completely as a foundation for anything useful and makes absurd parallels about ‘worshipping’ sports stars. Oh, and it’s called ‘American IDOL’ for a reason! We make idols of men instead of god (apparently). For a supposedly up to date presentation, that’s a little outdated as an argument. People today do understand the difference between worshipping a god and admiring sports and film stars – they are not as stupid as Hilton tries to make out. And the photo he shows is of a BYU game where the majority of adoring spectators in the picture are undoubtedly members of the Mormon Church.

Unbelievably, Hilton then rounds on evolution and condemns it as “only the theories of men.” He clearly hasn’t studied any of the science surrounding it, or understood that it has long been a proven fact and not just a ‘theory of men’ as he claims. Someone should teach him that whilst ‘a theory’ may be a hypothesis, all ‘scientific theory’ has moved beyond that, consisting of facts established through peer reviewed evidence which is accepted by the scientific community. The ‘theory of evolution’ describes the process and thus why it is true. Evolution is an established scientific fact. Evolution is not something you have to have ‘faith’ in or ‘believe’ in – it is not debatable; you just have to understand it. It is a fact and as real as anything we know. Hilton should watch Cosmos, among many other things. The original hypothesis has been verified over and over through several different scientific disciplines that each confirm the other, leaving the fossil record as a kind of unneeded bonus – the tree of life has been well mapped – and is added to almost daily. Here in England, you can get a free copy from the BBC or Open University. It is now unquestionable science that you cannot “throw it out the window and don’t look back” just because it “does not square with the scriptures.” If science is right, then scripture is wrong.

Quoting a school text book on biology, he objects to us being described as animals related to earth worms. If he understood the wonders of science and how DNA and RNA show how everything is related, he would of course have to take a different view, so I can only assume he avoids all the evidence. We actually know more about evolution than we do about space-time curvature (gravity). And we are related to earth worms – as well as every other living thing on the planet – whether we like the idea or not.

Hilton claims organic evolution is “Satan’s chief weapon in this dispensation.” In my books, I state that despite what leaders have claimed in the past, the modern Mormon Church hasn’t made a stand about evolution (despite the fact that it is taught at BYU), because to do so (either way) would cause far too many problems for the Church. Yet here we are, with a definitive stand against scientific facts that cannot be disputed. If Church leaders persist with this stance, that alone will ultimately kill the Church. Well, unless that is, yet again they eventually declare that earlier leaders got it all wrong and admit that of course evolution is a fact and the Adam and Eve story is just a fable. In today’s world of scientific ‘understanding’ (not on faith or belief), the Church cannot and will not survive without accepting the facts. Even the Pope accepts evolution as a fact, and he represents a Church that grows by more members every single year than the Mormon Church has in total.

Hilton then disparages President Obama as “the first gay President” because he has come out in favour of gay marriage. The fact that Obama is a Democrat won’t help there, as most Mormons in America appear to be Republican, despite the fact the Church claims not to have political sway with members. He admits that Salt Lake City “has become the most popular homosexual city in America.” Then, following three slides with one word on each: “Warning”, “Graphic”, “Images”, he shows some tame pictures of the gay pride march in SLC from June 2013. He described them as “disturbing”. This is because over five hundred members of the Church marched in support of it.

He also disparaged Obama for declaring “We are no longer a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation and a nation of non-believers.” Hilton didn’t like the all-embracing love and compassion of his own President, who is in fact Christian. He went on to say that meant we are no longer a nation that believes in one God but a nation that believes in many gods. That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard. If the Church persists in such divisive commentary, it is more than doomed. And it is one reason why people are rejecting such religions as Mormonism.

Hilton wants America to be a ‘Christian’ nation only. That’s despite the fact that it was never set up under any god; church and state were supposed to have remained separate. Just because someone decided to put ‘One nation under God’ on US currency in the 1950s, does not mean the Mormon Church can claim exclusivity for themselves or even all Christians. Obama got it right; it is a nation for everyone. Hilton certainly knows how to offend Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus, as well as non-believers. Does he have a clue as to how bigoted (and unchristian) this kind of rhetoric is? He seemed to think that the date on which Obama said this was ‘significant’ for some obscure reason. It was April 6th – the date Mormons (incorrectly) believe was Christ’s birthday, because Joseph Smith claimed it. Is Jesus now upset with Obama, despite the fact that he is a good Christian?

And Hilton expects to ‘retain’ the youth and young adults of the Church by teaching such nonsense. The youth of today, more and more, understand and accept scientific evidence regarding evolution; and they also understand the hard wiring of human (and many other species) brains to same-sex attraction in six to eight percent of the population. Considering they were ‘made that way’ (if you believe in creationism, which the Church clearly does), the truly ‘Christian’ attitude is surely to understand this and accept people as they are. Leave people alone rather than try to force them to believe and behave as you think they should. Leave ‘gayness’ between the individual and their god, if they have one. If not, just mind your own business. What ever have they done to you to deserve such treatment? The fact that five hundred Mormons did join the gay pride march shows that at least some members do understand the facts. It also demonstrated an understanding of unconditional love; something Mormonism preaches but does not appear to practice.

Despite the fact that early missionaries baptised thousands of people in England in the mid 1800s, today, England (and Europe) is “a missionary graveyard” where very few join the Church. He has no idea that the days of superstition are behind us and that science has taught people the truth about many things. People no longer identify with the Mormon idea of a god that defies known science.

He then explains that the internet is the main problem – it is of course full of lies. “The reason why youth are not at Church is because they are on the internet.” He doesn’t understand that youngsters of today can determine truth from lies, or that the lies the Church itself presents on the internet are so easily discernable. Using the internet to combat the problem will only lead to further apostasy. Speaking of the internet, Hilton mentions anti-Mormon literature as nothing new and laughs at ‘recovery from Mormonism’ as if it is a joke, little realising the anguish and suffering that takes place when people reluctantly realise and have to face the truth and leave the fold, losing family and friends who then reject them as apostates. That is the Mormon version of being ‘Christian’, in a nutshell.

Finally, after over forty minutes, he speaks of Joseph Smith claiming the Book of Mormon being “the most correct book ever written.” Either it is true and Smith was a prophet, or it is not true and Smith was a fraud. The BOM is being attacked via the internet. In this ‘web’, says Hilton, is a spider (he shows an actual picture of a huge black spider) and it’s name is – wait for it – ‘Lucifer’. He strikes at the youth of the Church when they are weak. The only thing weak here is Hilton’s argument. The world-wide web is simply a resource for information that was always out there, but is now more readily accessible. Previously, the Church could hide its lies and deceptions quite easily. Now they are laid bare, which is why they feel the need to keep publishing new ‘essays’ in attempted damage limitation. Many members will question why the need and then also leave.

He doesn’t think Satan needs to attack grandpa or grandma, mom or dad, he goes after the kids. He clearly does not see all the Stake Presidents, Bishops and other Mormon leaders having a crisis of faith due to the truth ‘prevailing’. It’s not just youth leaving the Church. Hilton should take a look at the make up of ex-Mormon groups. He would soon discover who is leaving the Church.

Finally, he turns to ‘evidence’ for the BOM and declares: “DNA evidence proves the BOM true. Here’s the evidence for yourself – look it over.” At this point he is looking at a photo of two young soldiers firing a machine gun and a message appears in the smoke emissions “DNA proves the Book of Mormon true” – that’s it. No actual evidence is presented at all. My old friend, Simon Southerton, is well ahead of the game on this aspect, and apologists have no idea what to say next. I find it more than ironical that Hilton wants to refute the same evidence (DNA) that shows we are related to all living species, including earth worms (which it does), on one hand, and then on the other, to accept that DNA ‘proves’ the Book of Mormon (which it doesn’t) – it does exactly the opposite, which is why the Church was obliged to alter the description from reading that characters in the book were the ‘principle’ ancestors, to ‘among’ the ancestors of Native Americans a little while ago. If all else fails, change the rules, move the goal posts, make things up.

“Another round loaded” he says. “Joseph Smith was a true prophet. We can prove it. We can defend it.” But he can’t, and he doesn’t. He speaks of defending the faith. When people accuse the Church of being ‘Latter-day Lies’ – fire right back. “The Book of Mormon is true – I KNOW it.” Considering Church lawyers admitted in court, during the recent ‘Tom Phillips v. Thomas S. Monson’ case in London, England, that church “beliefs should no longer be considered facts” (so there was no case to answer), this will become a very dangerous statement to officially make in the future. People may ‘believe’ the Book of Mormon is true but leaders cannot state it as fact because the Church lawyers have declared that the Church (and Monson himself) does not do that. It is a matter of faith rather than fact. That will come back to bite them.

Youth can say they ‘know’ it spiritually and also physically because science backs it up. He still doesn’t state HOW. The fact is that science destroys the Book of Mormon over and over again in every aspect and detail. (See: The Mormon Delusion, Volume 2, for evidence of many of the scientific facts. An analysis of chapters is available under ‘TMD Volumes 1 & 2’ at the top of this page).

History is next. Hilton maintains “history backs it up.” He quotes Ballard and also the Book of Mormon itself, waffling on about Mormon evidence provided on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. Still no evidence is actually presented. There is none. If you bother to check Facebook, Twitter and YouTube postings by the Church, there is nothing new and no tangible peer-reviewed scientific evidence available, just manipulations of the truth to suit Mormon needs. As with all the recent essays published by the Church to date – there is nothing new, just contradictions, excuses and apologies for the past.

So, apart from all the whinging and whining about youth leaving the Church, an offensive barrage of nonsense against the American President and many other faiths and non-believers, where is the evidence that was promised at the beginning. Where is all the ‘archaeological evidence’, ‘geographical evidence’, ‘genetic evidence’ and ‘historical evidence’ about the Book of Mormon? Not a single piece of evidence is presented. However, “it’s all about saving souls.”

Apparently, heroically, Hilton walked around Hong Kong on an injured leg for many months before being sent home early from a mission. When he returned home early (honourably) he was ostracised and rumours were spread about him, so he left the Church and was inactive for five years. He returned of course, and in tears he expresses his pain and then joy; but that experience should tell him something about how people feel who reject the Church due to the incontrovertible evidence against it, and he should at least understand how it feels to be rejected when one discovers the fraud. It also shows the typical Mormon attitude and assumptions made about people without due consideration. Unconditional love is not often practiced in the Church.

Overall, taking the view that science actually supports the Book of Mormon and at the same time, claiming that evolution is not scientifically proven, is unbelievably ignorant and it is clear that Hilton has just buried his head in the sand of delusional thinking – an absolute requirement in Mormonism, now that the truth is so blindingly obvious, thanks to science and the internet.

If John Dehlin’s ‘wow’, isn’t “Wow, how can this guy be so ignorant”, then I fail to see what it is for. To present this to the youth of the Church and give no evidence in support of the claims, leaving them to search the internet, will only exacerbate the problem. As the presentation shows, there are numerous web sites available with information regarding the Church, and they will see them all. Many youth will inevitably see through the lies presented, not by so-called anti-Mormon sites but by the Church itself, because many claims will defy known and accepted science. The Church has nailed its colours to the wrong mast and that mast has already been shot to pieces; the ship is sinking fast under the weight of scientific evidence (not just the theories of men). And it cannot be ‘saved’.


March 2014

Another essay has been released by the Mormon Church; this time addressing the idea of faithful Mormons becoming gods. It downplays the idea that planet owning and operating is part of the Mormon ‘plan’, yet admits to ‘creative potential’ – and the potential of becoming gods. The Church isn’t sure any longer about where its god came from, but does admit to the doctrine that men may become gods. Yet Smith specifically answered the question about where his god came from in his King Follett sermon, claiming it as evidence that men may also become gods. One half of the ‘couplet’, coined by (prophet of the Mormon god) Lorenzo Snow, based on Smith’s teachings (“As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may be”), without the other half, simply doesn’t work. Couple that with the earlier church essay, admitting that polygamy will be practiced in the eternities, and where are we to suppose all the spirit children will go to be born as humans, if it is not to planets owned and operated by the newly ordained gods? There is certainly no doctrine that spirits fathered by many new ‘under-gods’ will all go to the same planet, operated by their original god.

The mess created by denying earlier, and very specific teachings, leaves the Mormon church spinning out of control in an ever downward spiral, while more and more members are seeing it for what it really is – a perpetuated nineteenth century hoax. The article contains some three and a half thousand words that really don’t say much of anything at all, despite the fact that ‘God’ is mentioned almost one hundred times.

LDS ESSAY: Becoming Like God.

“…while few Latter-day Saints would identify with caricatures of having their own planet, most would agree that the awe inspired by creation hints at our creative potential in the eternities.”

“The teaching that men and women have the potential to be exalted to a state of godliness clearly expands beyond what is understood by most contemporary Christian churches and expresses for the Latter-day Saints a yearning rooted in the Bible to live as God lives, to love as He loves, and to prepare for all that our loving Father in Heaven wishes for His children.”

“Since that sermon, known as the King Follett discourse, the doctrine that humans can progress to exaltation and godliness has been taught within the Church. Lorenzo Snow, the Church’s fifth President, coined a well-known couplet: “As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be.” Little has been revealed about the first half of this couplet, and consequently little is taught. When asked about this topic, Church President Gordon B. Hinckley told a reporter in 1997, “That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don’t know very much about.” When asked about the belief in humans’ divine potential, President Hinckley responded, “Well, as God is, man may become. We believe in eternal progression. Very strongly.” (Emphasis added to above three quotes from the essay).

I repeat: in that case, where will all the spirit children be born as human beings, if not on planets owned and operated by their new god-parents? And, of course, the whole aspect of the evolution required on each new planet cannot be addressed by the Church, as evolution is incompatible with Mormon theology on too many levels. Creationism is scientifically dead, but I doubt we will see a Church essay admitting to evolution as an established and irrefutable fact any time soon, despite the fact that over the last few decades, evolution has become one of the most fully substantiated and proven scientific theories we have (everything in science is theory – proven or otherwise; just in case there is someone out there who still doesn’t know). We actually know far more about evolution than we do about space-time curvature (gravity). On a new planet, it is not a given that humans as we know them would actually evolve at all – or intelligent life of any description for that matter. It is a lottery.

The following is an extract from my ‘The First Vision’ booklet, also available as an article to read free here.

“In his infamous King Follett sermon (at the funeral of a man who was killed by a bucket of bricks falling on his head during a well construction) Smith starts on about plural Gods for the first time in public. This was on 7 April 1844, a couple of months or so before Smith’s death. Following the disclosures in his talk, many Mormons left the fold as they considered it to be heresy. Reading what he came out with, this is perfectly understandable.

Smith takes Revelation 1:6 as his text. He says:

“God … is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret.”

“…He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth … and I will show it from the Bible.”

A recent Mormon prophet, Gordon B. Hinckley, at least twice, publicly stated he does not know that they teach it and he does not know much about it. (See: San Francisco Chronicle, 13 Apr 1997:3/Z1 Don Lattin, religion editor; also Time Magazine, 4 Aug 1997).

Smith declared “It is plain beyond disputation…” He quotes Revelation 1:6 directly from the KJV: “And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.”

Note the phrase, “God and His Father”. Smith then states “It is altogether correct in the translation”. This is because he wants to propound his new concept that God had a father and that there are many Gods. However, Smith either forgot, or more likely simply ignored, the fact that when he had been inspired to ‘correct’ biblical scripture in his earlier Inspired Revision, he altered that very verse in order to clarify the tradition that God of course does not have a father. [In the KJV ‘God and His Father’ is followed by ‘him‘, in the singular, hinting at mistranslation – which has been corrected in almost all later versions of the Bible]. Yet here, in 1844, Smith completely ignores his own earlier Inspired Revision and claims the KJV is ‘altogether correct’ – just to suit his newly developed thinking.

Inspired Revision: Rev 1:6 …and hath made us kings and priests unto God his Father. To him be glory and dominion, forever and ever. Amen. (Emphasis added).

If Smith’s claim that the KJV is “altogether correct” is accepted by the Church in order to justify his plural Gods theology; then they must also accept that he lied in the IR. Either way, he is caught in his duplicity and his lies – and that is a true mark of a false prophet.”

Understanding that alone should be enough to turn any sane person away from Mormonism.

See also, Sandra Tanner’s excellent note: “Mormons Hope to Become Gods of Their Own Worlds Procreating Endless Numbers of Children.”

These are a few of the quotes Sandra references:

“The heaven of the Saints is something we can look forward to in the confident hope of realizing our inheritances and enjoying them forever, when the earth becomes sanctified and made new. And there, as here, we will spread forth, and multiply our children. How long? For eternity. What, resurrected Saints have children? Yes, the same as our God, who is the Father of our spirits; so you, if you are faithful to the end, will become fathers to your sons and daughters, who will be as innumerable as the sands upon the sea shore; they will be your children, and you will be their heavenly fathers, the same as our heavenly Father is Father to us, and they will belong to your kingdoms through all the vast ages of eternity, the same as we will belong to our father’s kingdom.” (B. H. Roberts, The Mormon Doctrine of Deity, p.284).

“Logically and naturally, the ultimate desire of a loving Supreme Being is to help his children enjoy all that he enjoys. For Latter-day Saints, the term “godhood” denotes the attainment of such a state—one of having all divine attributes and doing as God does and being as God is. Such a state is to be enjoyed by all exalted, embodied, intelligent beings (see Deification; Eternal Progression; Exaltation; God; Perfection). The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that all resurrected and perfected mortals become gods (cf. Gen. 3:22; Matt. 5:48). They will dwell again with God the Father, and live and act like him in endless worlds of happiness, power, love, glory, and knowledge; above all, they will have the power of procreating endless lives. Latter-day Saints believe that Jesus Christ attained godhood (see Christology) and that he marked the path and led the way for others likewise to become exalted divine beings by following him” (cf. John 14:3). (Encyclopaedia of Mormonism, Vol.2: Godhood).

“When the servants of God and their wives go to heaven there is an eternal union, and they will multiply and replenish the world to which they are going.” (Orson Hyde, 6 October 1854. Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2 pp. 85-86).

“When we talk about celestial glory, we talk of the condition of endless increase; if we obtain celestial glory in the fullest sense of the word, then we have wives and children in eternity, we have the power of endless lives granted unto us, the power of propagation that will endure through all eternity, all being fathers and mothers in eternity; fathers of fathers, and mothers of mothers, kings and queens, priests and priestesses, and shall I say more? Yes, all becoming gods.” (George Q. Cannon, 31 October 1880. Journal of Discourses, Vol. 22, p. 125). (Emphasis added to the above quotes).

Clearly, personal ‘worlds’ will be needed to facilitate the promise of being gods to ‘endless’ offspring.

Question: Where the hell are all those countless (and endless) children going to live, if not on planets provided for these new gods to rule over? I was taught that I would have my own planet as a god, by missionaries, when I converted in 1960 at age fourteen. It was one of the enticements that appealed to a young lad who liked constructing things… the church is altering everything I was ever led to believe was doctrine – changing with the tide of popular opinion at every turn. Meanwhile, dozens of other ex Mormons have confirmed their understanding has always been the same as mine and they are as perplexed as I am about it. It just proves the hoax over and over. Having confirmed that men can become gods and have many wives and untold numbers of spirit children who will all need human bodies, perhaps the church can now disclose how they plan to accomodate this need for all these gods, if they are not to have planets – instead of thinking the following will simply make it all go away?

“Do Latter-day Saints believe that they will “get their own planet”? No. This idea is not taught in Latter-day Saint scripture, nor is it a doctrine of the Church. This misunderstanding stems from speculative comments unreflective of scriptural doctrine.”

How then does the Church explain (see below) the completely opposite claim expressed in their own Ensign magazine barely a decade ago, by one of their own apostles no less? My thanks to a friend, who wishes to remain anonymous, for sharing more quotes from leaders confirming the idea that men, as gods, will govern worlds of their own. The following are just two of several examples:

“The real life we’re preparing for is eternal life. Secular knowledge has for us eternal significance. Our conviction is that God, our Heavenly Father, wants us to live the life that He does. We learn both the spiritual things and the secular things so that we may one day create worlds and people and govern them (see The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball [1982],386)“ (Henry B. Eyring, “Education for Real Life” [CES fireside for young adults, May 6, 2001], 2-3, 5). (Emphasis added).

They even teach it in a lesson manual designed for children aged between 4 and 11 years of age. Note it only mentions ‘his’, (only male gods): Teaching Children from 4-11.

“Each one of you has it within the realm of his possibility to develop a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god. You will need to develop yourself and grow in ability and power and worthiness, to govern such a world with all of its people.” (Emphasis added).

Many gods, with many wives, and ‘endless’ children – a concept even taught to children – but now, out of nowhere (and for no logical reason that I can fathom), no planets for men to rule over as gods. Yet there always used to be – we could aspire to “create worlds and people and govern them”, but now we can’t and yet our god has had billions of children (apparently) and if men can become like him, how can they be real gods with their own billions of children with no personal planets to accomodate them?

So, are they going to alter the Doctrine and Covenants, or just pretend it doesn’t actually mean what it so clearly states?

D&C132: 19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, …Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; …and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, …and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

  1. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

In the strange world of Mormonism, becoming a god has always meant having many wives, innumerable children, creating worlds, and populating them; ALWAYS – it was every man’s ultimate goal. Until now.

It gets worse. Thanks to Jean Bodie (and Kerry Shirts) for these additional quotes:

“President Snow said: ‘Wait a moment, President Brimhall, I want to see these children at work; what are they doing?’ Brother Brimhall replied that they were making clay spheres. ‘That is very interesting,’ the President said. ‘I want to watch them.’ He quietly watched the children for several minutes and then lifted a little girl, perhaps six years of age, and stood her on a table. He then took the clay sphere from her hand, and, turning to Brother Brimhall, said:

“‘President Brimhall, these children are now at play, making mud worlds, the time will come when some of these boys, through their faithfulness to the gospel, will progress and develop in knowledge, intelligence and power, in future eternities, until they shall be able to go out into space where there is unorganized matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the laws and powers of nature, to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods’” (Quoting Lorenzo Snow, Improvement Era, June 1919, 658–59).” (Emphasis added).

“In the spring of 1840, just before leaving on his first mission to England, Lorenzo Snow spent an evening in the home of his friend, Elder H. G. Sherwood, in Nauvoo. Elder Sherwood was endeavoring to explain the parable of the Savior about the husbandman who sent forth servants at different hours of the day to labor in the vineyard. While thus engaged in thought this most important event occurred, as told by President Snow himself:

“‘While attentively listening to his (Elder Sherwood’s) explanation, the Spirit of the Lord rested mightily upon me—the eyes of my understanding were opened, and I saw as clear as the sun at noon-day, with wonder and astonishment, the pathway of God and man. I formed the following couplet which expresses the revelation, as it was shown to me … :

As man now is,
God once was:
As God now is,
man may be.

“‘I felt this to be a sacred communication which I related to no one except my sister Eliza, until I reached England, when in a confidential, private conversation with President Brigham Young, in Manchester, I related to him this extraordinary manifestation.’

“Soon after his return from England, in January, 1843, Lorenzo Snow related to the Prophet Joseph Smith his experience in Elder Sherwood’s home. This was in a confidential interview in Nauvoo. The Prophet’s reply was: ‘Brother Snow, that is true gospel doctrine, and it is a revelation from God to you’” (Snow, Improvement Era, June 1919, 656). (Emphasis added).

A photographic copy of the June 1919 Improvement Era is available.

‘Mormon Voices’ claims, “A search of LDS.org, which includes all of the church lesson manuals, all talks given in church conferences, and all magazines published by the LDS church shows that there are no instances—zero—where it is taught that we will be ‘gods of our own planets.” (Emphasis added).

Perhaps they could then explain the following:

We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.” (J.F. Smith – Doctrines of Salvation Vol.2 p. 48).

“We educate ourselves in the secular field and in the spiritual field so that we may one day create worlds, people and govern them.” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball – p. 386).

“All those who are counted worthy to be exalted and to become Gods, even the sons of God, will go forth and have earths and worlds like those who framed this and millions on millions of others.” Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses Vol.17, p.143).

And, if that wasn’t enough, FAIR cites three references that confirm Mormon men who become gods can indeed create their own worlds – so who do you believe? This is the link for the following references

FAIR – “Mormonism and the nature of God/Deification of man/Gods of their own planets/Statements.”

“Statements by Church leaders which refer to becoming like our Father in Heaven and participating in the creation of worlds.”

Brigham Young: “As for their labor and pursuits in eternity I have not time to talk upon that subject; but we shall have plenty to do. We shall not be idle. We shall go on from one step to another, reaching forth into the eternities until we become like the Gods, and shall be able to frame for ourselves, by the behest and command of the Almighty. All those who are counted worthy to be exalted and to become Gods, even the sons of God, will go forth and have earths and worlds like those who framed this and millions on millions of others.” Journal of Discourses 17:143.

Heber C. Kimball: “When you have learned to become obedient to the Father that dwells upon this earth, to the Father and God of this earth, and obedient to the messengers He sends—when you have done all that, remember you are not going to leave this earth. You will never leave it until you become qualified, and capable, and capacitated to become a father of an earth yourselves.” —Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 1:356.

Joseph Fielding Smith: “The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fulness of his kingdom. In other words we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood;’ thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children. who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fulness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.” —Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, p.48

I cannot understand how Mormon Church leaders can officially deny what FAIR clearly exposes above. To repeat what I quoted earlier: “Do Latter-day Saints believe that they will “get their own planet”? No. This idea is not taught in Latter-day Saint scripture, nor is it a doctrine of the Church. This misunderstanding stems from speculative comments unreflective of scriptural doctrine.” A definitive statement – straight from the LDS Newsroom.

In all the above sources (including FAIR), several references are the same, but they are repeated at each stage for clarity.

Having said all of the above, bearing in mind such an abundance of damning evidence, could it just be that I, along with all the newspaper articles and many blogs, got this entirely wrong? Could it be (despite the fact that they have not removed earlier condemning ‘newsroom’ statements) that the statements in the essay “Latter-day Saints’ doctrine of exaltation is often similarly reduced in media to a cartoonish image of people receiving their own planets” and “Likewise, while few Latter-day Saints would identify with caricatures of having their own planet, most would agree that the awe inspired by creation hints at our creative potential in the eternities” (emphasis added), are now meant to imply that whilst it is true that new gods will indeed create their own planets, most Mormons would not relate to that idea in the irreligious way such caricatures present it; what with it being such a sacred doctrine? In light of previous declarations, of course this must be highly unlikely.

However, the statements are indeed a little ambiguous, although everyone seems to have come to the same conclusion. Just in case we all got it wrong, the fault clearly (as ever) lies with the Church which continues in its half truths, and often outright lies. A clear statement saying “Yes, men can become gods, have many wives and billions of spirit children on an endless basis; and of course they will be endowed with creative powers enabling them to organise new worlds for their offspring” is needed (and that is what has always been taught). Instead of which, the Church continues to confuse everyone; in this case with some three and a half thousand words, when the above thirty-six would do. Whatever the case, clarification is needed. If, however, we are all right, then further explanation is required as it completely alters established doctrine. It is inexplicable and theologically inexcusable.

In Mormonism, the madness never ends.